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monsters and cryptids as well as urban

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about that would be the Jersey Devil and

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the mysterious Pine Barrens all 1

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parallel John 14 researcher and author

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the Jersey Devil you'll be joining us

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I am thank you so much for joining us

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and coming on the show thank you the

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Jersey Devil is a prominent cryptid you

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wrote a book on the subject I encourage

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everyone to check it out it's called

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search for the Jersey Devil but for

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those who don't know who you are

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could you tell us a little about

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yourself to start off oh yes probably

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about in 2010 we started out writing

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documentaries concerning the Jersey

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Devil and we released that in 2015 one

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DVD and many short documentaries on the

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Internet itself on YouTube yeah we watch

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your channel and enjoy it

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yeah great Channel by the way can you

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thank you so everyone knows I'm sorry

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well that you can you see the name of

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the channel the YouTube channel yeah the

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what was it about the legend that

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prompted you to study and eventually

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write about the Jersey Devil in

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particular well pretty much eyelids New

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Jersey all my life and it was just a

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legend that was constantly there that

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you always heard about and it just I had

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a great interest in it so we decided to

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do a documentary

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on the subject of the Jersey Devil and I

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know most people know what the Jersey

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Devil is but there may be some people

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that they've heard of it but they're not

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exactly sure what we're talking about

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and so would you be so kind as to I

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guess just walk us through the you know

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how would you describe the creature

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one is back in 1930 1735 mother Leeds

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who was Deborah Leeds gave birth to her

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13th child and she was tired of having

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children having 12 before that and she

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has it that it flew through the chimney

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came afterwards you know I've always

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wondered why the Leeds family was

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specifically the family to you know end

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up with with that legend and their

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family opposed any other family I it

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as folklore opposed him back you know

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even a modern-day you know how the story

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necessarily is there any reader have you

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talked to any of the leads is there any

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reason why their family was one that

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ended up with that because it's kind of

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like a stigma in a sense it definitely

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is a stigma they were a very prominent

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family during that time period and they

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broke off from the church which was

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predominately Quakers they became

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Episcopalian and that you know so to say

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but mad so they possibly started some

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rumors if you actually read a Brian of

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area Brian Regal of teen University he

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goes into great detail concerning the

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political slander of the Leeds family

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there are like you said several theories

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as to what the Jersey Devil we should we

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should probably explore some of them

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what are what are the uh as far as uh

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which one are you most comfortable with

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why do believe it could be political

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slander where they're trying to slander

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the family itself which is the most you

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know probably the most logical reason

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the second one it's possible that the

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family did have the form child which you

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involved in witchcraft absolutely

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splintered a family in that manner and

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it could have possibly been a sandhill

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crane a hammerhead bat possibly a

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pterodactyl these are very widespread

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claims that people think that possibly

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documentary they had mentioned owl

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kangaroos to owls to but claims from

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long neck and I will just don't have

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necks exactly there's one animal doesn't

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have a neck it's a hollow I guess bone

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parrot crypto is a logical angle because

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there are you know one of the questions

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we were we were going to touch on is has

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to do with with has anybody ever

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reported seeing more than

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one of them at the same time to my

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knowledge no every documented sliding

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overtures the devil to my knowledge it's

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always been one solitary being never

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more than one at one time you know

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that's really interesting because they

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say there are 200 reports over the last

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twenty years and that this legend goes

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back to was in 1735 yet yes 1735 so

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correct you know that's a debt you know

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when you have that many sightings and

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some of the people of course we're in

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groups and stuff so you know this isn't

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hallucinations or or you know a bunch of

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misidentifications it's possible some of

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them were but you know would that mean

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obviously something going on but without

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a breeding population it it's an

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interesting it becomes a really

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interesting question as to you also

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investigate the paranormal is that

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is correct yes so where do you stand on

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that do you think that the Jersey Devil

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could possibly be a like a

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interdimensional being or something

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demonic or some along those lines

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opposed to something illogical me I

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don't believe it would be anything along

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lines of that I mean I did hear people

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touch on that but what they're basing it

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on it's pretty weak I think it would be

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more along the lines of like other

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people stated either political slander

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or possibly a deformed child which might

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beer and you know they claimed a little

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Jersey Devil something like that you

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question from someone and one of our our

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us here's a good question talking about

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that is the Carosi devil in any way

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Sasquatch or any

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the other Jurassic or zoological

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creatures out there and the reason why

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is because you guys briefly touched on

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that compare of cryptozoology all

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aspects right yeah I mean that is

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possible because anybody that believes

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in UFOs anytime they see something that

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they can't explain they believe it's an

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alien or UFO if someone is religious

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anything they see that they can't

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explain they believe it has to do

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something that is religious if someone

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believes in Bigfoot when they go into

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the woods and they see something they

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can't explain they believe it's Bigfoot

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whoever they may you know believe in so

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it is possible as they are connected

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that you're seeing in whatever you may

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believe when you walk into the woods or

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you know wherever you're seeing these

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creatures at what do you work solo

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solo but in the past we have worked with

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other people we compared notes and you

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information that we do currently has but

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I am solo right now different witnesses

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incredible report the most incredible

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report they all kind of run parallel

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pretty much there in the woods camping

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and it's you always at night times or a

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thunderstorm and they hear something

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they see something out of the corner of

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their eye but they never catch a full

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glimpse of whatever the creature is and

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then later on they report something that

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you know that follows that what the

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Jersey Devil traditionally looks like

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nothing nothing really outlandish or

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anything like that just it's very

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typical I noticed some reports talk

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about like glowing eyes now is there a

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primary color that the Jersey Devil

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sports with eye color or do you find

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that they're different called Oh

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for the grand prize of 1 million dollars

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what color is the White House I know

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this into this I know this 5 seconds

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Oh switching to Geico could save you a

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bunch of money on car insurance

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ok judges that's true Kevin

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congratulations you're a winner yeah

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Geico because saving 15% or more on car

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insurance is always a great answer

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what's going on yeah I would say it's

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probably different colors because any

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animal that you encounter in the woods

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if you're shining a flashlight or if

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it's like bouncing off a campsite like

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like fire of a campsite

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you're gonna see some kind of reflective

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eyes I didn't notice anything specific

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as foreigners like eyes other than maybe

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like glowing red that's something that

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people repeatedly report glowing red

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right because there is a difference

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between reflective and glowing or why

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would your oh very great and one is

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creating its own light and that pretty

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much comes down to the interpretation of

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the person that might be seeing it then

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wind up reporting it correctly or

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viewing it

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you know correctly either right so I

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have a question for you from the chat

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room for Michelle McManus what made you

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decide to investigate to Jersey Devil

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well just being from New Jersey we we

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loved horror we we make films so we

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wanted to make a documentary and we were

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trying to figure out the the the subject

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of the documentary the Jersey Devil is a

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logical choice for us simply because

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that's the legend that's associated with

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our state so we just choose it based on

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proximity I'm sorry well that's as far

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as like people going out and hunting the

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Jersey Devil if oh are you

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yeah well or no kill oh well definitely

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no kill I mean man no matter what they

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do they wanted to kill

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anything they're afraid of and I'm

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against that I do believe that we should

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research it and study it and figure out

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you know what exactly did Jersey Devil

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is if we ever encountered it but I do

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I'm fearful that man themselves would

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attempt to kill whatever they found

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instead which I'm against though there's

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no kill definitely no fill physical

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evidence is there is there I know that

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like in if you watch documentaries they

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show up footprints or like hoof prints

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or legit yes is that do you find that

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out there is there anybody that claims

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to have any kind of physical proof other

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than photographs of this animal well I

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mean over the years there's been many

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people that claim to have either have

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the body or the skull or footprints

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which for the most part they turned out

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to be outright fraud or dismiss

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misidentification but there have been

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footprints that have been found that no

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one's really sure what they are because

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they're not properly documented usually

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the footprints are found in the snow

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which it's very hard to determine what

364
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animal might have left the footprint

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through the snow expands it melts and

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then the skulls themselves of the Jersey

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Devil they're usually misidentified as

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another animal and not even the skull

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just a different pretty follow the

370
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skeleton of a different animal the time

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in the skull related so we have another

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question for you from the chat room what

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is your interest in the Jersey Devil and

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what does it matter to you well my

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interest is I mean the Jersey Devil the

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the history has been around since at

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least 1735 so I did find an interest in

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trying to figure out if it's you know

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legend if it's true that this is tall

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tales cautionary tales so the reason it

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matters to me is I'm just trying to

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figure out like what people are seeing

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in the Pine Barrens

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how about Native American legends did

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you find out yeah

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um yeah I'm not sure the exact year of

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180 - um the year that I usually come up

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against is still 1735 but I am aware

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that Native Americans did report some

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sort of animal within the Pine Barrens

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that resembles the Jersey Devil but I'm

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not sure the exact years if it goes

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beyond 1735 that's really interesting

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and I agree

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Kristof for me one of the interesting

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things about the Jersey Devil is that it

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it does have a longevity to it or urban

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legend or yeah you know but we're not

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talking that you know it's not something

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we're talking about that's been centered

401
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recently or more recently we're I mean

402
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this goes back as far as well certainly

403
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America you know correct and you know if

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there are whether it be cave paintings

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or even you know legends verbal legends

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about you know the Jersey Devil along

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with the last you know three hundred

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years of that to me suggests that

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there's something there's something

410
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going on oh there's definitely something

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going on and I say this because I'm

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originally I was born and raised in

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Hudson County New Jersey and even as a

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little kid everybody that I knew heard

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of the Leeds legend with the Jersey

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Devil and not to go anywhere near the

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primaries at night because the Jersey

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Devil would get you right you know it's

419
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just something that you were you were

420
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told it was passed down and around to

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you when you were growing up so for me I

422
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actually spent several summers going out

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there with like car loads of people and

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trying to look for it that I ever find

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it no but I didn't treat me enough to go

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out there because I knew from hearing

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about it myself growing up that there

428
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had to be something more to it and the

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others who didn't I'm sorry go ahead

430
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yes correct I mean it could be a

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cautionary tale that parents so

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kids you know be home at a certain time

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go to bed behave or the Jersey Devils

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gonna get you I heard that for many

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people of the older generation that

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their parents you know told them also

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and they feel that as probably just a

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another thing that impresses me is uh I

439
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noticed in the reports there was

440
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everything from witnesses everything

441
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from the king of Spain all the way that

442
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we priests rabbis cops judges doctors

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you know people that normally wouldn't

444
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say that they've seen something like

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that have reported this and and I find

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that holds weight - because it doesn't

447
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stand the reason that you know what

448
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would any prominent person have to gain

449
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in something like that otherwise yeah

450
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that is correct very prominent people

451
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all the way up to Napoleon's brother he

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also stated that he aspired a kind of

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all at you know the Jersey Devil and you

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know judges policemen as you said they

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also reported that they saw the Jersey

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Devil also that is very correct

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whatsoever a question for you from the

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chat room what is the earliest actual

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document you have seen mentioning the

460
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Jersey Devil versus some modern

461
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mentioning 1735 document the earliest I

462
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would have to say besides 1735 when

463
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supposedly the Jersey Devil the thirteen

464
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child was born closer to 1800s people

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did report seeing the Jersey Devil in

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their backyard or on the rooftop or

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leaving footprints but it's also hearsay

468
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there's no solid photographs or any

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solid documentation that the Jersey

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Devil was existing

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those times so another thing we should

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bring out is fenomena no week yeah

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phenomenally

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can you tell us a little bit about that

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or the the audience yeah

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pretty much torn this I believe the

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second or third week of January of 1909

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was one of the biggest flaps of

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sightings of the Jersey Devil where he

480
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was seen multiple times a day and this

481
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is all over New Jersey Pennsylvania

482
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Delaware all the way down the Texas and

483
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California also but the most popular

484
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time for flex for this year the double

485
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the beef plated does anyone ever

486
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establish any kind of connection as to

487
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maybe why was there anything else going

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on at the time that was significant mmm

489
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I don't know geology or astronomy or

490
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just anything that did I mean does

491
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anyone ever come up with the reason why

492
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there were so many sightings for that

493
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one week um there's a couple things that

494
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people said that maybe people were just

495
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bored it was mass hysteria obviously

496
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this is before you know television

497
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before radio people were just bored so

498
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we're looking for something to talk

499
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about so it is possible that it was

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attributed to mass hysteria but as far

501
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as anything in geology astrology or

502
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:36,300
anything like that I'm I'm not aware of

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that yeah I haven't heard anything

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either no but I mean phenomenal week was

505
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just was just it was impressive to me I

506
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mean you had one sighting of where a

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trolley car during the day was spotted

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this thing like a whole trolley car full

509
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of passengers you know your people that

510
00:26:02,150 --> 00:25:58,290
found random footprints on their roofs

511
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in the snow I mean you you name it they

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had encounters that whole entire week

513
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and it just amazes me that that was that

514
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much of a cluster of sightings

515
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and that eight day span in so many

516
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different places it's pretty interesting

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and as Kevin said earlier you know

518
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policemen firemen people like that you

519
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,260
know supposedly notable people also

520
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:26,080
claimed to have seen of the Jersey Devil

521
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and I live in Gloucester City New Jersey

522
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and it was a sighting literally two

523
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blocks from my home where they were

524
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supposed to the Jersey Devil flooding

525
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also what do you think about the have

526
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:41,529
you seen the thermal camera the thermal

527
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image that bill burns and Ryan Buell got

528
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under normal state I don't know if that

529
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:55,450
was Ryan bills paranormal state or that

530
00:27:00,419 --> 00:26:58,450
was bill birnes UFO Hunters but they

531
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:00,429
teamed up and they went out in the Pine

532
00:27:06,529 --> 00:27:03,340
Barrens and they claim to a gun is

533
00:27:08,639 --> 00:27:06,539
impossible thermal footage

534
00:27:11,639 --> 00:27:08,649
George DuBose wondering if you had seen

535
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,649
that or not yeah I think I know with

536
00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:14,320
thermal image you're talking about

537
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:16,840
I believe what was determine it was

538
00:27:19,769 --> 00:27:18,940
actually two deer spinning very close

539
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:19,779
together

540
00:27:26,129 --> 00:27:22,690
I do have an image which I can provide

541
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:26,139
later on the outlines if it was two

542
00:27:29,970 --> 00:27:28,110
deers outlining the two years together

543
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:29,980
showing how that pops with it is

544
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:33,970
inspired right there all right it did

545
00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:40,360
you know it did have the long neck and

546
00:27:47,399 --> 00:27:43,870
that kind of thing I drew what I

547
00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:47,409
remember anyways and you know like you

548
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:51,100
said like a deer or you know something

549
00:27:54,899 --> 00:27:53,740
like that of course the most famous

550
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picture of the Jersey Devil at least

551
00:27:57,899 --> 00:27:56,799
when it sticks out in my mind is the one

552
00:28:01,950 --> 00:27:57,909
where it's got like almost like the

553
00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:01,960
camels face and the long neck and the

554
00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:05,980
big back wings and who yet you know

555
00:28:09,990 --> 00:28:08,380
almost it actually looks like something

556
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:10,000
out of an old demonology book to be

557
00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:13,809
honest yeah yeah it's probably the most

558
00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:16,870
traditionally accepted image of the

559
00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:18,039
Jersey Devil but if you really think

560
00:28:22,770 --> 00:28:19,539
about it when they're saying the Jersey

561
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,780
Devils flying around it

562
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:24,880
an animal that kind of looks like a deer

563
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:27,490
a horse with holes and all probably

564
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,870
would weigh a little too much to

565
00:28:34,140 --> 00:28:31,120
actually be able to fly and it

566
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:34,150
supposedly has bat wings a horse's face

567
00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:38,260
and the goats holds so I'm just trying

568
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:39,430
to think of an animal that would be able

569
00:28:45,140 --> 00:28:41,650
to fly with that much weed attached to

570
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:45,150
it yeah it would need supernatural hell

571
00:28:50,370 --> 00:28:48,910
ok that's ok everybody with that it's

572
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,380
time for our first commercial break

573
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574
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575
00:29:01,320 --> 00:28:59,140
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576
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,330
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577
00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:03,760
Kevin and Jennifer Malik and we're

578
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:06,220
chatting with parallel gen and author

579
00:29:12,030 --> 00:29:10,090
Christoph chaos but before we bring him

580
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,040
back on we'd like to take a minute and

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00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:13,840
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587
00:29:32,610 --> 00:29:29,770
wonderful show an opportunity here to be

588
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589
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590
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591
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592
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check those out if you can also check

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00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:47,770
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594
00:29:51,780 --> 00:29:50,440
Jennifer's like page and of course the

595
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596
00:29:56,940 --> 00:29:55,150
limited length page we also have two

597
00:29:59,700 --> 00:29:56,950
group pages worth noting at Lake

598
00:30:02,340 --> 00:29:59,710
monstrosity which is the largest group

599
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:02,350
page on facebook for aquatic mysteries

600
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:04,810
and lake monsters and finally ultimate

601
00:30:09,150 --> 00:30:06,910
conspiracies which is pretty much

602
00:30:12,420 --> 00:30:09,160
self-explanatory if you have any

603
00:30:16,290 --> 00:30:12,430
questions for our guests go to IR in

604
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:16,300
chat comm go to our live chat room where

605
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:21,420
I will be taking your questions yes and

606
00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:27,700
next week is the Chicago owl man mystery

607
00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:30,910
with 14 researcher at lon okay keep your

608
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:32,800
eyes closed okay I want to show you my

609
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:35,890
first ever painting all right okay

610
00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:40,000
open your eyes oh that's a lot of colors

611
00:30:46,919 --> 00:30:43,390
huh and shade so be honest what do you

612
00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:46,929
think well I like how if you switch to

613
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:48,340
Geico you could save hundreds of dollars

614
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:49,210
on car insurance

615
00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:52,450
oh yeah that's that's true yeah here why

616
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:54,700
don't I hold your paintbrush while you

617
00:30:57,780 --> 00:30:56,170
call them Geico

618
00:30:59,700 --> 00:30:57,790
because saving 15% or more on car

619
00:31:02,400 --> 00:30:59,710
insurance is always a great answer

620
00:31:06,919 --> 00:31:02,410
trickler so check that out next week as

621
00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:06,929
well okay back to our guests yes

622
00:31:19,020 --> 00:31:16,660
Christopher you still with us yet BAM so

623
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:19,030
for the second half we were we wanted to

624
00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:23,410
get into the Pine Barrens oh yeah we

625
00:31:30,419 --> 00:31:26,260
meet I'm sure the Jersey Devil may come

626
00:31:35,100 --> 00:31:30,429
up in this as well but there is so much

627
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:35,110
area I mean they said I forget what it

628
00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:38,980
was like over a million acres 22,000

629
00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:39,940
square miles

630
00:31:45,510 --> 00:31:42,820
oh yeah a little over a million acres

631
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:45,520
correct that's crazy all right

632
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:47,530
they got cranberry bogs like a blueberry

633
00:31:56,419 --> 00:31:50,710
bogs they have so yes it's very very

634
00:32:02,880 --> 00:31:56,429
fast you have look upon each ball home

635
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:02,890
that is true they give no end as a as a

636
00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:05,049
paranormal story I know there are other

637
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:08,350
mysteries within the Pine Barrens you

638
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:11,970
know on mysterious ponds Bigfoot reports

639
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:18,010
strange forest lights etc can you

640
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:22,270
elaborate under near that oh yeah I'm

641
00:32:27,450 --> 00:32:24,370
probably one of the weirdest ones

642
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:27,460
besides the Jersey Devil would be it's a

643
00:32:33,030 --> 00:32:29,620
location called ons hat which was a city

644
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:33,040
that I believe it was the 17 1800 s that

645
00:32:38,850 --> 00:32:36,809
it was inhabited and legend has it that

646
00:32:41,549 --> 00:32:38,860
scientists were doing some kind of weird

647
00:32:44,610 --> 00:32:41,559
experiments back then with time travel

648
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,620
and everything like that the second one

649
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:46,480
there I'm not really familiar with it

650
00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:48,309
but there have been several Bigfoot

651
00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:49,660
reports but I

652
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:51,160
I don't really study Bigfoots I'm not

653
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:54,090
sure exactly what happened with that

654
00:33:00,720 --> 00:32:58,090
obviously the Jersey Devil and then

655
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:00,730
there's a lot of old like glass

656
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:03,640
factories and various boundaries that

657
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:06,250
were abandoned which they attached many

658
00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:11,110
legends to well I bet and we were just

659
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:13,960
talking off-camera or I'm sorry

660
00:33:28,620 --> 00:33:22,090
off-camera about the blue hole yeah in

661
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:28,630
the Pine Barrens which is for those who

662
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:30,640
don't know it's just creepy little pot

663
00:33:35,870 --> 00:33:32,530
can you tell us a little bit about that

664
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:35,880
oh yeah I've been there several times

665
00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:38,230
many years ago I believe

666
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:40,060
also during eighteen hundreds there was

667
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:44,320
a mill that was there and then you know

668
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:48,100
as different time errors come in and

669
00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:51,250
come out of play that the mill was torn

670
00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:53,620
down and that many legends were built

671
00:34:00,090 --> 00:33:57,150
around it and as with any kind of

672
00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:00,100
legendary place of course you know in

673
00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:02,920
New Jersey Jersey Devil decides to make

674
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,510
that his home legend has it that if you

675
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,040
swim in these waters and you go out to

676
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:11,200
the middle the Jersey that will pull you

677
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:14,020
down legend has it there's also no

678
00:34:22,050 --> 00:34:18,730
bottom and also any time of year whether

679
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:22,060
it's December or August and he does all

680
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:24,370
this it'll also be very icy which is

681
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:27,970
true it is very cold to the touch but

682
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:30,130
basically everybody says that Jersey

683
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:39,960
right and then what you know I mean I've

684
00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:41,230
never swam in it but I've been there

685
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:43,150
several times and I never seen a Jersey

686
00:34:49,950 --> 00:34:47,590
Devil there yet so maybe it data they

687
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:49,960
see people drowned in there right they

688
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:53,130
said people drowned in there or possibly

689
00:34:58,740 --> 00:34:56,770
they say they have but usually what

690
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,750
happens is teenagers go back they're

691
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:00,880
drinking and partying and you know the

692
00:35:04,350 --> 00:35:03,100
only things they shouldn't

693
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:04,360
and when they're a little intoxicated

694
00:35:11,460 --> 00:35:07,450
they tend to slim and the paramedics

695
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:11,470
have to come out and pull them out yeah

696
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:16,300
usually okay I have two questions for

697
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:18,610
you from the chat room the first one

698
00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:21,370
your big bird could someone have found

699
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:23,560
the remains of the Jersey Devil and

700
00:35:28,830 --> 00:35:28,090
cloned it for today's sightings I mean

701
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:28,840
it's possible

702
00:35:33,330 --> 00:35:30,970
I haven't came in contact with any sort

703
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:33,340
of scientists or Genesis that claim to

704
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:39,130
have found the remains but I did find a

705
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:41,290
guy on the side of birdsong fruit that

706
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:43,860
claimed to have the Jersey Devil skull

707
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:47,050
but after you know take a photos of it

708
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:48,490
and sending it to the proper people they

709
00:35:54,380 --> 00:35:51,160
stated that it was the frame of a bird

710
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:54,390
and not the skull of the Jersey Devil

711
00:36:01,290 --> 00:35:57,610
and the second question comes from Sky

712
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:01,300
33 has there been many reports of the

713
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:04,570
Jersey Devil communicating if so if so

714
00:36:13,230 --> 00:36:10,450
how verbal or telepathy as far as like

715
00:36:15,930 --> 00:36:13,240
communication that us humans understand

716
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:15,940
not that I'm aware of but over the years

717
00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:17,800
there have been reports that the Jersey

718
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,190
Devil has came on to farms and taking

719
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:23,700
liberties with chickens and livestock

720
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,520
but never you know officially tried to

721
00:36:33,180 --> 00:36:29,920
communicate with a human in the sense

722
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:33,190
that we understand it okay so the next

723
00:36:38,670 --> 00:36:36,340
question comes from Sudan what does the

724
00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:38,680
guest make of the fact that the family

725
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:41,470
coat of arms the Leeds family has a

726
00:36:46,350 --> 00:36:44,050
strange dragon on it which is sort of

727
00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:46,360
which sort of looks like the Jersey

728
00:36:55,590 --> 00:36:52,630
Devil well I mean a lot of coat of arms

729
00:36:58,680 --> 00:36:55,600
and family arms like that derivative of

730
00:37:02,010 --> 00:36:58,690
England do have swords shields and

731
00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:02,020
Dragons associated with it um so I mean

732
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:04,540
this might be I you know something

733
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:06,370
ironic that it just happens to have

734
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,720
something that look like the Jersey

735
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:10,480
Devil but I mean I'm not aware of

736
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:13,750
anything connecting the coat of arms to

737
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:16,480
the Jersey Devil directly okay next

738
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:17,050
question

739
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:20,260
from max if these creatures are

740
00:37:27,210 --> 00:37:23,620
skinwalker types or can move between

741
00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:27,220
dimensions would this mean that these

742
00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:29,980
critters are far more advanced than the

743
00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:34,660
average humanoid well if the Jersey

744
00:37:39,450 --> 00:37:38,020
Devil can move through dimensions I

745
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:39,460
would say they probably are more

746
00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:44,170
advanced but my I mean myself I never

747
00:37:47,610 --> 00:37:45,940
investigated it from that angle so I'm

748
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:47,620
not really sure but I would say they're

749
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:50,200
more advanced that they can do that have

750
00:37:56,580 --> 00:37:53,890
you gone out all right I would imagine I

751
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:56,590
should just ask about the investigations

752
00:38:05,010 --> 00:37:59,350
you've done what's your freak dis

753
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:05,020
experience honestly there as far as

754
00:38:10,740 --> 00:38:06,730
concerning the Jersey Devil there really

755
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:10,750
hasn't been anything that occurred I

756
00:38:14,970 --> 00:38:12,370
mean we went out into the woods sat

757
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:14,980
around taking photos taking videos just

758
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:17,890
waiting for something to happen anybody

759
00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:21,130
that has been on a you know a so-called

760
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:22,630
haunted house or paranormal

761
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:25,330
investigation most of the time you're

762
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:26,500
just sitting there waiting for something

763
00:38:32,730 --> 00:38:29,530
happened and you know 9 times out of 10

764
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:32,740
nothing does happen so every time that

765
00:38:37,410 --> 00:38:34,750
we went out to investigate and look for

766
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:37,420
the Jersey Devil we personally never

767
00:38:41,550 --> 00:38:38,950
came across any kind of evidence that

768
00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:41,560
indicated the Jersey Devil was out there

769
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:44,550
how many jerseys they said there were

770
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:46,870
200 reports last 20 years

771
00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:52,150
how many sightings about average per

772
00:39:01,680 --> 00:38:57,790
year would you say there are Wow yeah

773
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:01,690
that that's actually hard to say I think

774
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:04,210
they probably didn't down over the last

775
00:39:08,250 --> 00:39:06,070
couple years

776
00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:08,260
usually the Jersey Devil sightings come

777
00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:10,950
up around Halloween how convenient right

778
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:15,940
usually a lot of a lot of news outlets

779
00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:19,150
contact me around Halloween and you know

780
00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:20,740
want to do a story concerning the Jersey

781
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:24,430
Devil and obviously probably most of the

782
00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:28,480
sightings are probably flogs III really

783
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:30,220
don't know how many swings per year

784
00:39:32,759 --> 00:39:30,880
there are

785
00:39:37,099 --> 00:39:32,769
but I'm pretty sure they're dimming

786
00:39:43,019 --> 00:39:41,099
there's something else let's see if I

787
00:39:46,049 --> 00:39:43,029
can find you care cuz I gotta that dawn

788
00:39:47,759 --> 00:39:46,059
earlier yeah yeah the question for the

789
00:39:48,509 --> 00:39:47,769
front in the chatroom this comes from

790
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:48,519
Big Bird

791
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:50,799
how many Jersey Devils how many Jersey

792
00:39:55,170 --> 00:39:52,630
Devils do you believe there are about

793
00:39:59,099 --> 00:39:55,180
the area's described or do you believe

794
00:40:02,190 --> 00:39:59,109
that there is only one yeah I just hope

795
00:40:04,380 --> 00:40:02,200
to say also because you figure most

796
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:04,390
animals you know they don't live past

797
00:40:12,299 --> 00:40:06,910
100 you you take a human they live

798
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:12,309
usually 89 AFS some turtles can live I

799
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:15,609
heard up to like maybe 150 160 from our

800
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:19,119
net area that's a reptile for a turtle

801
00:40:23,999 --> 00:40:22,150
now this is a deer like you know

802
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:24,009
something that's similar to a mammal

803
00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:28,240
like a deer a horse they probably live

804
00:40:34,259 --> 00:40:31,750
between 20 30 years so if we're talking

805
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:34,269
about a speculative about the Jersey

806
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:37,569
Devil which as far as I can say dates

807
00:40:43,890 --> 00:40:41,680
back to 1735 I would assume that if it

808
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:43,900
does exist there probably are more than

809
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,990
one of them one of the people that we

810
00:40:52,019 --> 00:40:49,359
spoke to Frank chilly states that he

811
00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:52,029
believes it's some summer pterodactyl

812
00:40:58,890 --> 00:40:55,240
that they live in underground caverns

813
00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:58,900
under New Jersey now this is history not

814
00:41:01,859 --> 00:40:59,490
mine

815
00:41:04,109 --> 00:41:01,869
but he speculates that there's several

816
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:04,119
of them that live under there and have

817
00:41:07,319 --> 00:41:05,650
been living under there you know for

818
00:41:10,170 --> 00:41:07,329
thousands of millions of years since the

819
00:41:14,609 --> 00:41:10,180
dinosaurs the other thing that was

820
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:14,619
mentioned was earlier one of our one of

821
00:41:20,789 --> 00:41:17,680
our people in chat and mentioned and I

822
00:41:24,269 --> 00:41:20,799
had jotted down a question earlier and I

823
00:41:28,529 --> 00:41:24,279
had to do with the Plum Island and the

824
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:28,539
whole Montauk thing I guess my question

825
00:41:32,549 --> 00:41:31,150
was what woody when you saw that on

826
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:32,559
Monster quest what were your thoughts

827
00:41:42,269 --> 00:41:39,490
about that what is possible that do you

828
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:42,279
know human cloning experimentation with

829
00:41:46,930 --> 00:41:43,690
genes

830
00:41:49,809 --> 00:41:46,940
mixing different animals hybrids I mean

831
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:49,819
it stoppable that limb did some kind of

832
00:41:57,010 --> 00:41:52,970
experiment and the Jersey Devil was born

833
00:42:01,809 --> 00:41:57,020
as with Montauk Island it's very well

834
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:01,819
plausible plausible but I would feel

835
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:04,400
that the Jersey Devil in modern times

836
00:42:08,829 --> 00:42:06,380
would be slighted a little bit more than

837
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:08,839
that he actually is now if there was a

838
00:42:13,780 --> 00:42:11,210
biological being bring around the Pine

839
00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:13,790
Barrens is there you had mentioned that

840
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:18,140
uh there were a few abandoned locations

841
00:42:23,799 --> 00:42:22,430
of interest yeah places that you and

842
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:23,809
John can you can you tell us about some

843
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:26,420
of them because we love abandoned

844
00:42:33,339 --> 00:42:28,190
locations I don't know what it is about

845
00:42:36,089 --> 00:42:33,349
it you know the history the nostalgia

846
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:36,099
the interest affected its abandoned

847
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:38,420
why would someone abandoned you know

848
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,690
just stuff like that but uh but legend

849
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:44,319
tripping is something I know you do -

850
00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:49,119
yes uh yeah there's several so-called

851
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:51,640
like mental health facilities which were

852
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,329
Skillman umama Essex County there are

853
00:43:01,150 --> 00:42:58,400
basically mental asylums that were dis

854
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:01,160
abandoned and technically they really

855
00:43:06,579 --> 00:43:03,890
just released the the population into

856
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:06,589
the public and the building's themselves

857
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:09,020
were either you know abandon and

858
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:12,260
demolished many years later some of

859
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:16,010
those we did explore I mean - pretty

860
00:43:22,030 --> 00:43:18,710
much abandoned buildings and people do

861
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:22,040
attach ghost stories to them or you know

862
00:43:27,309 --> 00:43:23,599
other atrocity that may or may not

863
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:27,319
happen to them also I have a quick

864
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:28,910
question and this is a really good

865
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:30,650
question actually when this comes from

866
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,290
Sudan again miss Jade these sightings

867
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:35,839
gone up or down since we started having

868
00:43:42,099 --> 00:43:39,460
good cameras on smartphones

869
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:42,109
that's a good question uh with any

870
00:43:48,099 --> 00:43:45,490
cryptid with any ghosts with any

871
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:48,109
unexplained animal beasts or whatever

872
00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:52,040
you may want to call it sightings have I

873
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:54,440
do feel that sightings in general has

874
00:43:59,380 --> 00:43:57,150
gone up but most of them had been

875
00:44:01,660 --> 00:43:59,390
proven to be false or faked with

876
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:01,670
different apps that you can put on your

877
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:06,000
smartphones and I do find it interesting

878
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:09,510
that you know the average smartphone can

879
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:11,579
take a very clear photo at you know

880
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,480
averaging 16 Meg's but the photo that we

881
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:18,240
get is very blurry out of focus and yes

882
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:21,690
stuff like that um I do feel that they

883
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,240
are going up but the quality is still

884
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:26,160
down we're we're not seeing anything

885
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:27,990
clear

886
00:44:33,529 --> 00:44:31,680
we're talking about like um you

887
00:44:37,029 --> 00:44:33,539
mentioned before about the wings and how

888
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:37,039
it flies and how it would you know and

889
00:44:42,859 --> 00:44:39,690
and it reminds me of that thing that

890
00:44:45,319 --> 00:44:42,869
Huffington Post came up with they they

891
00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:45,329
had this little piece and it was kind of

892
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:47,910
presented as like a newscast almost with

893
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:49,529
this chick sitting at the news desk

894
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:51,690
talking about the Jersey Devil and they

895
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:53,670
had a couple different they showed that

896
00:45:00,680 --> 00:44:57,240
picture that guy took or a picture some

897
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:00,690
guy took which was like uh I don't know

898
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:02,990
but then they showed this thing flying

899
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,170
and it looks like a black cow is that

900
00:45:12,349 --> 00:45:09,480
the one of the man my camera think his

901
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:12,359
name was David David black and I think

902
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:14,819
enough yet he was driving and he said he

903
00:45:18,799 --> 00:45:17,099
saw something messing around in the

904
00:45:22,750 --> 00:45:18,809
trees and when he said it took off from

905
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:22,760
the trees it sprouted wings and flew off

906
00:45:29,029 --> 00:45:26,630
yeah I believe that was on some sort of

907
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,039
contraption that made me some gold or

908
00:45:33,289 --> 00:45:31,140
someone Photoshop but yet that was

909
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:33,299
popular I believe probably about a year

910
00:45:39,859 --> 00:45:35,220
or two ago oh that was circulating

911
00:45:40,940 --> 00:45:39,869
around the news also yeah when you watch

912
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:40,950
that thing fly

913
00:45:54,579 --> 00:45:47,810
another thing it doesn't look right no

914
00:46:03,170 --> 00:45:59,359
of course you know like I I it's a tough

915
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:03,180
call you figure again it's it's the

916
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:04,920
Jersey Devil is really an intriguing

917
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:10,140
mystery I mean yeah it's like the

918
00:46:14,089 --> 00:46:10,920
Bigfoot

919
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,099
or like the Dogman was like the Mosman

920
00:46:19,250 --> 00:46:16,319
like now with Chicago and the owl the

921
00:46:22,339 --> 00:46:19,260
Mothman die old man thing is it's almost

922
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:22,349
good I mean when you hear it you see a

923
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:24,660
picture it's like yeah right but then

924
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:27,480
again people are keep seeing it and it's

925
00:46:33,769 --> 00:46:32,010
consistent and you know I know these

926
00:46:37,420 --> 00:46:33,779
things I thought there are for real yeah

927
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:37,430
I had a Bigfoot sighting you know and I

928
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:40,500
guess before that happened I died I

929
00:46:47,029 --> 00:46:42,900
believed it was possible but I wasn't

930
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,039
sure you know now I'm sure and then if

931
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:48,960
something like that could be real then

932
00:46:55,220 --> 00:46:50,910
why couldn't there be something else you

933
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:55,230
know and hiding in the same way uh you

934
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:59,099
know the whole idea of pair of

935
00:47:02,420 --> 00:47:01,140
cryptozoology is is that some of these

936
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:02,430
cryptids may have powers or abilities

937
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:05,730
that humans don't possess and we know

938
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:08,339
there's animals out there with powers or

939
00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:10,410
abilities that humans will possess you

940
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:13,349
know snakes have thermal pits they can

941
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:19,710
see in thermal vision you know or how

942
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:21,630
about like hammerhead sharks or any

943
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:23,609
shark for that matter they can detect a

944
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:27,359
year buried under the the sand because

945
00:47:33,769 --> 00:47:29,480
you know they're magnetic receptors or

946
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:33,779
so uh you know there's there's all sorts

947
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:35,480
of examples

948
00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:38,089
yeah Nature can always surprise us

949
00:47:42,799 --> 00:47:40,829
right right and it's like someone just

950
00:47:44,359 --> 00:47:42,809
said in chat room you know but how do we

951
00:47:46,579 --> 00:47:44,369
know the truth what is signing in the

952
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:46,589
woods what is it we're seeing I think

953
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:49,470
that says a lot and you look at cryptids

954
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:53,089
like that like Mothman or dog man

955
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:55,710
especially Mothman you know you always

956
00:47:59,480 --> 00:47:57,930
see just one of them you never see more

957
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,490
than one of them and it's like after the

958
00:48:03,259 --> 00:48:01,440
sightings where does they go it's just

959
00:48:05,539 --> 00:48:03,269
like as if they just up and vanished

960
00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:05,549
they disappear could it be that exactly

961
00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:10,230
or interdimensional at this point with

962
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:13,380
the trail cams with the drones with the

963
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:16,170
satellites with the numbers out there

964
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,609
looking for this these cryptids you know

965
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:23,460
every year like goes by I cannot follow

966
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:24,359
more and more toward

967
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:29,099
the para opposed to the zoological you

968
00:48:36,109 --> 00:48:31,890
know yeah just because you know at some

969
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:36,119
point but one thing I want to we didn't

970
00:48:40,940 --> 00:48:37,680
get a chance to discuss I just wanted

971
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:40,950
even if you can mention it is your other

972
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:44,910
book and you can you tell us where is

973
00:48:51,049 --> 00:48:47,460
that the name of your other book because

974
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,059
you have two books correct yeah that's

975
00:48:55,999 --> 00:48:54,480
for ya the first series in the the

976
00:48:58,009 --> 00:48:56,009
Jersey Devil books and we do have

977
00:49:02,509 --> 00:48:58,019
another one coming out in October of

978
00:49:05,539 --> 00:49:02,519
this year and the curse series deals

979
00:49:09,799 --> 00:49:05,549
with abandoned locations and other

980
00:49:13,099 --> 00:49:09,809
paranormal experiences similar surgeries

981
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:13,109
a double about two years oval itself and

982
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:15,150
we also have a horror series called

983
00:49:23,479 --> 00:49:17,880
LaBella morte which is a collection of

984
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:23,489
fiction horror writing for people out

985
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:25,349
there that are curious where can they

986
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,910
find your books basically if you just do

987
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:32,400
an internet search and go to Amazon or

988
00:49:37,279 --> 00:49:34,980
they are on Amazon and there's there any

989
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,289
websites that you'd like to share or any

990
00:49:41,749 --> 00:49:39,599
other give anything coming up anything

991
00:49:45,799 --> 00:49:41,759
at all that you'd like to pass along or

992
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:45,809
sure or anything the main thing is you

993
00:49:49,789 --> 00:49:46,890
know we want to pass on the information

994
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,799
if you have any sort of information hard

995
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:51,599
evidence along the Jersey Devil feel

996
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:54,569
free to send it our way we are putting

997
00:50:00,049 --> 00:49:56,249
out the third book in the Jersey Devil

998
00:50:01,670 --> 00:50:00,059
series this October so there's a little

999
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:01,680
bit of time to get that information into

1000
00:50:15,289 --> 00:50:10,420
okay that sounds great

1001
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,299
Christoph thank you so much for thank

1002
00:50:23,539 --> 00:50:18,180
you very much for having me yes that's

1003
00:50:27,460 --> 00:50:23,549
all next week everyone we will be

1004
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:27,470
talking about the Chicago how old man

1005
00:50:31,759 --> 00:50:29,849
Chris I mean we got a couple minutes

1006
00:50:36,289 --> 00:50:31,769
there any thoughts on that real quick

1007
00:50:37,890 --> 00:50:36,299
before we leave the mall Pam yeah the

1008
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:37,900
Chicago phenomenon no

1009
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:41,529
right now uh yeah I do need to you know

1010
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:43,569
educate myself on that I'm not all that

1011
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:45,309
familiar with it I've been more focused

1012
00:50:51,900 --> 00:50:47,170
along the Jersey Devil so I do have to

1013
00:50:55,049 --> 00:50:51,910
educate myself on it yeah seems

1014
00:50:55,980 --> 00:50:55,059
interesting there's they got so many

1015
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:55,990
names for it

1016
00:51:03,870 --> 00:50:58,450
do not surface all oh man Mothman

1017
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:03,880
man-bat that Squatch you know there's so

1018
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:06,010
many more variables out there it's hard

1019
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:09,700
to figure out which boy right but uh

1020
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:11,440
with all the names I think we're just

1021
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:13,170
gonna call it the

1022
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,260
the Owlman Albin why not um well yeah so

1023
00:51:26,789 --> 00:51:22,000
that's next week well blonde Strickler

1024
00:51:33,329 --> 00:51:26,799
on and he has been he has been focusing

1025
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,339
on them so he can give us an update but

1026
00:51:38,849 --> 00:51:36,160
I've looked into it somewhat but I know

1027
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:38,859
LaVon is really looking to it every

1028
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:40,960
report and talking to witnesses and

1029
00:51:46,109 --> 00:51:43,210
whatnot so uh there will be there will

1030
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,119
be a good show to the believer the

1031
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:49,359
evidence is overwhelming and to the

1032
00:51:53,789 --> 00:51:52,150
skeptic there will never be enough thank

1033
00:51:55,799 --> 00:51:53,799
you everyone god bless you have a